Let us see how long will king be able to save his ass using his Royal Slave Army. You can shut down Nepal for months, you can force martial law but you can not supress our desire for republic state.

I FULLY and wholeheartedly support prajatantra's view. way to go man you took word out of my mouth!

21st century ma ayera raja saja pani bhanne huncha? wahiyaat tyo pani sansarko sabi bhanda garib deshma.

i can't help but laugh when people say timiharu USA ma basera nepal ma yesto hunu paryo usto hunu paryo bhanera huncha?

hami ja bhaye pani we are still Nepali citizen and we still have that priviledge. ani hamile bhaneko nahune bhaye tyehi nepalmai bhako nepali harule ganatantra magira chan t khoi ta ganatantra ako. ganatantra sabai nepali ko chahana ho. sabai bhanna le majority

your idea about Nepal being bought by India is day dreaming. In this 21st century that will never happen. Again if you go back and read history book, you will find monarchs have sold nepal to India and China more than political leaders.

Tribhuwan went to India and compramised with India to get rid of Ranas and Mahendra went to China and compramised to get support for his 2017 move.

If your royal regime is so determined about securing Nepal why can not it stop the advancing Indian army in Nepalese borders then, they are eating up nepalese land more faster than they were doing that 12 years ago.

This accusation of selling nepal is just a day dreamt allegation spread by royal regime to implant false fear in nepalese.

BTW MONARCHY WAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER BE UNITING FORCE FOR ONE NEPAL, CURRENTLY NEPAL IS DIVIDED DUE TO MONARCHY. ROYAL CLAIMED THEY UNITED NEPAL, BUT ACTUALLY THEY SUPRESSED THE VOICE OF MINORITIES TO PROVE THEIR FALSE CLAIM

you dont need to go back to long history my friend... just take the example of afganisthan as you said... after the king who ruled there??? if you dont know it here is the answer... the talibans... and i hope i dont need to tell you how they ruled there....

and talking about it working in france... thank god it didnt had leaders like ours and more importantly randi ko choro indians right beside them just feeding on the leaders to sell the country to them.... and some supporters like you of those aama bechuwa dalaal netas.....

you do not get the point, you think gyanendra is against india, no he is just trying hard to get indian support. he will do anything to get that.

hahahah once you have nothing to argue name calling starts, thats how royal regime rules, just try to supress the voice no matter how you can.... future will show soon who is ra**di ko choro and who is dalal.

As far as afghanistan is concerned it failed not because king was kicked out, but becuase Taliban ruled it autocraticaly under their dictatorship. Same is true for Iraq.

If we do not take proper action nepal will be same to. King and maoist can never come to consent and there will always be war. But if we strip both king and maoist and bring democracy back compramise can be reached.

One thing is we have to make sure this is democracy that addresses every nepali from mechi to mahakali and gives equal power to every nepali.

just tell me prajatantra how do ya think the problems of the country is gonna go away and we will have a better country after the king is thrown out of the power...

and all the people's right your are talking about and democracy... just tell me what is the base in which democracy stands...

if i'm not wrong its election... now ya tell me brother who has called for the election and who are trying to run away from it...

again if i'm not wrong its the political parties and maoists...

now tell me who is in the favor of people's right and democracy and who is not.......

कसैको निन्द्रा उडेको छ ,कसैको दिमखको फ्यज उडेको छ र नउडोस पनि कसरि पाप धुरि बाट कराउछ भने जस्तै हजारौ नेपालि का रगत पिएका यि मानब रुपि उपिया र उडुस हरु लाइ आज त्यिनै रगत पिउन दिने मानब हरुले बस्ति बाट निकाल्दैछन। यतिखेर यि उपिया र उडुस हरु नेपालि जनता को पैसा मा पालिएका बुङ्गुर हरु सँग हेल मेल गर्दैछन कि कतै यि बुङगुर हरु ले पनि साथ नछोडिदियोस र सिधै बस्ति बाट आर्यघाट को बास बस्न नपरोस भनेर रे।

देस को शान्ति सुरक्षाको बाहालि गर्छु भनेर उफ्रने यि उपिया र उडुस का साहारा मा उडने गिद्ध हरु बिबषताले बिरालो ले गु लुकाए झै लुकदै हिडनु पर्ने दिन आइसकेको छ वा भनु कसैको साहारमा मा बाचेका छन अनि यसैलाइ अर्को भाषामा भन्नु पर्दा डिस्याबल हरुको जमात भएको छ , जो भुषया कुकुर जस्तो भुक्छ, मलिक को जुठो को प्रतिक्षा गर्छ र सधै सिनु को खोजि मा दौडन्छ।

न त यि ऊपिया, उडुस लाइ थाहा छ न त यि डिस्यबल हरु को जमात लाइ नै थाहा छ , आज जसरि बन्दुक र बल को भर मा बुल बन्द आबाज हरु लाइ छेक्ने असफल प्रयास गरिदैछ त्यि जोइटिङ्ग्रे नेपालि जनता का पैसा बाट पालिएका साहि भतुवा हरु मार्फत यो चाडै नै बिफल हुने छ त्यस पछि का दिन हरु भनेका नेपालि जनता को हुने छ न त यि उपिया र उडुस हरु ले ठाउ पाउने छन, न त यि गिद्ध रुपि हिजडा हरु लाइ कसै ले सुन्ने छन।त्यसैले यि उपिया र डिस्यबल हरु लाइ समर्थन गर्ने हे बन्धुहरु एक पटक नेट मा पढ प्रजातन्त्र को बारे मा वा लोक तन्त्र को बारे किन र कसरि हामि लाइ यो चाहिएको छ बन्ने बारे मा कि बेला मै तिमि हरु को ट्युब लाइट बलोस , नत्र भने पछि हरुवा जस्तो भएर पछुताउनु को कुनै अर्थ रहदैन।बा उपिया र गिद्ध हरु लाइ समर्थन गर्ने हरु लाइ म के भनेर सम्बोधन गरु याहा ।

fully agree with prajatantra. What I see here is the so called royalist can not defend their answer with logic. Rather they put obscene(like machikne) word to keep their baseless points. They say netas will sell the country to India. First the point is baseless but even if it happens this will be far better than suffer under autocratic regime. As truly pointed out by prajatantra why the prince would become a king just because he was born as a son of king? And why not a capable common nepalese people? We all have seen that country who are developed follow democratic rule. And worlds poorest country like nepal is poorest because it has seen only autocratic regime. But I think the discussion will continue because u all have heard "a dog's tail does not become straight even if u keep it under stone for years". There r people who simply donot want to change their attitude. What can u do with them? Hear them till they can speak.

khadkaji,

tapai kati basrako manche ho. sorry to say you sound so childish.
every glitter is not gold bhanya jastai every election is nnot democracy. china ma pani taelection huncha ni tara party bhitrai janata le gardainan tyesaile tyo prajatantra hoina. sabai political parties harule bahiskar gareko election kasari prajatantric huncha ra.

la yehi sajhamai garauna ta voting ganatantra versus rajtantra herau kasle jitdo rahecha.

praja tantra open a new thread since you started it and ask everyone to vote

~Bir

Prajatantra just said he is ra**di ko choro and a dalal. He should not say such things in sajha.

khadka010 जि देसको जति प्रतिशत नेता हरु ले भ्रष्टाचार गर्थे त्यो भन्दा कयौ गुना पैस दरबार जान्छ बिभिन्न बाहाना मा न त त्यसको कुनै लेखा जोखा छ न त हिसाब किताब (किनकि अहिले सम्म राजा भनेका भगवान रुपि थिए र उनले गरेका सबै काम कानुन भन्दा माथि को थियो: (हाल न्यायधिस ओझा), तपाइ यहा एउटा लाउडा वा धमिजा को कुरा मा अडकिनु भएको छ तर तपाइ ले सोच्नु पनि भएको छैन बार्षिक कति पैसा दरबार जान्छ र जुन जनता को टाउका मा ऋण भएर अडकिन्छ ।

अनि अर्को कुरा तपाइ हामि नेता बिग्रे का कुरा मच्चि मच्चि गर्छौ र तिनि हरु लाइ बिगारन हामिनै गएका थियौ पेसा लिइर त्यिनि हरु का ठाउ मा हजुर यो काम गरिदिनु पर्यो भनेर । अहिले उनिहरु ले भनि पनि रहेका छन कि हामि बाट गल्ति भयो भनेर । ल यि बिग्रे वा गुहिए तर यि भनेका १० बर्ष का लागि हुन बढिमा त्यस पछि अर्को पुस्ता आउने छ । हामि ले प्रजातन्त्र को राम्रो सँग उपभोग कहिले पनि गर्न पाएनौ जहिले पनि दरबार ले नकारात्मक भुमिका खेलिनै रहयो। अमेरिका , यु के को कुरा गर्नुस बा अरु बिकसित देस हरु को कुरा गर्नुस सबैमा यसलाइ राम्रो सँग हुर्काइएको छ तर हामि का जहिले पनि जरा देखिनै निमोठने प्रयास भयो।

आज सम्म यदि तपाइ ले सच्चा दिल ले भन्नु हुन्छ भने कति वटा परस ले हामि जस्ता साधारण नेपालि मारेको देख्नु भएको छ ,खै त कार्बाहि झन प्रमोसन भएर राजकुमार। तर तपाइ वा म गएर मारु त पारस त दुर को कुरा उनका चम्चा वा उनका आफ्नत लाइ तपाइ लाइ त्यहि मार्छन किनकि हामि भनेका जनता होइनौ रेति हौ र उनिहरु भनेका हामि का मालिक हुन र अहिलेको युद्ध भनेको मात्र प्रजातन्त्र को लागि होइन समन हक र एउटा मुक्ति को लागि पनि हो ।


हजुर को प्रस्न म हजुर लाइ नै दोर्हाएर सोध्न मन लाग्यो कति जना मान्छे जुनाब मा उठदैछन र काठमान्डौ नगरपालिका मा को उठदैछ थाहा छ तपाइ लाइ? यो भनेको त १७ साल र २०४६ साल मा हाम्रा बाउ बाजे लाइ जसरि झुक्कयायो दरबार ले त्यसरि नै झुक्याउने चाल हो , त्यो भन्दा अरु केहि पनि होइन । युद्धमा होमिएका नेपालि जनता लाइ चुनाब को नाटक रचेर युद्ध रोक्छु भनेर दरबार ले सोचेको खेल हो तर दरबार अहिले हारि सकेको छ ।

यो प्रस्न को उत्तर गोगल.कम मा खोज्नु भए मा हामि ले दिने भन्दा तपाइ ले धेरे उत्तर पाउनु हुनेछ।
all the people's right your are talking about and democracy... just tell me what is the base in which democracy stands...


यो प्रश्न को उत्तर चुनाव पछि को परिणाम हे्नुहोला अनि फेरि सोध्नु होला । त्यति खेर हामि जबाफ लेख्ने छौ।
if i'm not wrong its election... now ya tell me brother who has called for the election and who are trying to run away from it...


एक पटक म के भन्न चाहान्छु भने माओबादि र पार्टि ले बोकेको सिदानत फरक छ । यदि तपाइ ले लोक तन्त्र र गणतन्त्र को फरक पत्तालगाउन सक्नु हुन्न भने शब्दकोष हेर्नुहोस।
again if i'm not wrong its the political parties and maoists...


जाहा पनि जुन देस मा पनि प्रजातन्त्र जनता को साथमा हुन्छ र यसलाइ हिडाउने जनता ले जिताएका मानछे हुन्छन पेवा मा आएर छलाउने हिजडा हरु होइन ।
now tell me who is in the favor of people's right and democracy and who is not...

अरु केहि प्रश्न छ भने प्लिज साझा मा लेख्न नभुल्नु होला।
हस्त
उहि साझाबसैमा

Dhara 107,
First of all let me correct you, dude I did not say any was "ra**iko choro" or something like that, go back and read the thread properly. I started this thread to have proper debate but Upendra ji and Khadka ji could not stick with it. So I just said time will show who is who

Khadka ji,
you could not answer how will so call "king" solve the problem of Nepal. So you are counter questioning me. Clearly monarchy is taking nepal no where they are misusing power to protect their power and a**....

As far as election is concern, how can you consider a election to be fair when it is being done under supervision of royal slave army and autocratic royal regime.

More over it is election only in cities where supporter of royal regime are more but they are just 10% or less of nepalese population, what about 90% nepalese that are left behind.

If you want to hold fair election democratic forces are ready for it, it is just your "king" who is afraid of that.

LET US DO A PUBLIC REFERENDUM FROM MECHI TO MAHAKALI WHERE EVERY NEPALESE WILL GET TO VOTE, LET US GIVE A CHANCE FOR EVERY NEPALESE TO SAY WHAT THEY THINK

just some thulabadas in ktm voting is not fair election, a fair election is one in which every nepalese from every part of nepal participates.

People in ktm believes rest of nepal does not understand politics, but it is autocrating suppressing mentality of city people who do not understand nepalese politics.

Get every nepalese to vote for referendum all of us nepalese supporting democracy will be ready for election

BTW i meant Dhara 127 not 107.

For your information:

hey guys read it,


How much money does Nepali king earn?
Dear Nepali citizens and foreign lovers of Nepal,
You might be wondering why Nepal is still poor when its countries of
equal economic status has reached the sky with booming economic
development.
Let me try to answer this is one of the reason, I have recently found.

Nepal is one of the poorest counries of the world but Nepal's king is
the highest paid king of the world.

The income of Nepali king Gyanendra Bir Bikram Shah Dev is :
2,426 times higher than that of Chinese president
318 times higher than that of Indian president
301 times higher than that of Pakistani president
173 times higher than that of Russian president
57 times higher than that of French president
15 times higher than that of British president
10 times higher than that of American president

Netherlands queen's income : Rs. 22,32,00,000? (per capita income Rs 17,25,120 )
American president earns Rs. 3,24,00,000 (1,15,20,000 returns in tax),
(per capita income Rs 25,24,320)
Japanese king earns Rs. 22,23,52,000 (per capita income Rs.24,15,600)
Chinese president earns Rs. 1,35,000 (per capita income Rs 67,680)
Indian president earns Rs. 10,11,000 (per capita income Rs 34,560)
French president earns Rs 57,96,000 (per capita income Rs 15,84,000)
Pakistani president earns (after the coup) Rs 10,94,000 (per capita
income 29,520)
British Queen does not get any salary from the state. She has a
property of Rs 30,24,00,00,000 (the profit of investiment, after
paying the tax, is hers) but even her neckless is the property of the
country.
British president earns Rs 2,19,58,000 (per capita income is Rs 18,16,200)
Russian president earns Rs 19,03,000 (per capita income is Rs 1,54,000)
Belgean king receives salary as a civil servant (per capita income is
Rs 16,74,000)
And,
Nepali king earns Rs 61,91,00,000 (per capita income is Rs 16,560=US$ 230)
[This means the Nepali king earns Rs. 19,878 times higher than a
citizen. Last year it was 37,385 times higher. Thus a citizen can earn
as much as the king earns in a year only after working for 19,000
years or in 316 lives. Ho la!]

Appendix
Nepali royal family is involved in various business.
A king does not have to pay tax according to Nepal's constitution.
The present king has inherited the property of earlier king's family
and nobody knows how much it is.
This king has taken Rs 1,06,45,00,000 in past three years for his small family

Courtsey: Surya Thapa, Mulyankan Monthly (Nov-Dec 2005)
US dollar 1 = Rs 72
Nepal has a writing system of giving comma after two digits except the last.

REQUEST
PEASE PRINT THIS AND PASTE IT ON THE NOTICE BOARD OF YOUR OFFICE. THIS
WILL GIVE ANSWER TO THE QUEST WHY? NEPAL IS ALWAYS SO POOR. PLEASE
CIRCULATE THIS PAGE TO YOUR FRIEND YOU WILL NOT GET ANY FORTUNE BUT
WILL CERTAINLY OPEN THEIR EYES.

Thanks,
Nepali Janata


thanks nepali janta HimalHimal for info

Prajatantra, tell yr mum to put red tika and chura again and not wear white dhoti beczuse the one who died is not your real father. your real father is still alive, so you are not tuhuro yet.

tara bichara, taile bareko barkhi kaam lagena mora. tero asali bau mare pachi taile feri barkhi barnu parcha

aba aja rati chahi tero sano bahini ko palo ma sita sutne. la kun kun style ma garne bhanera ramri sikayara patha . mukh ma pani kasari garne banera tero baini lai sikara patha

\'सत्ताको हार भइसक्यो\'

प्रहरी प्रशिक्षण केन्द्र महाराजगञ्जमा बन्दी राखिएका राजनैतिक र नागरिक समाजका अगुवाहरुले सरकारको केही दिन यताको क्रियाकलापले \'शाही सत्ता\' को अन्तिम दिन आएको दावी गरेका छन् ।नेपाली कांग्रेसका नेता रामचन्द्र पौडेलले हिजोको कर्फ्यु आदेशलाई \'दिवालिया प्रवृत्तिको उपज\' भन्दै सरकार शान्तिपूर्ण नागरिकहरुको भेलाबाट पनि तर्सने अवस्था भएको बताए । पौडेलले भने, \"देश आज निर्णायक परिवर्तनको संघारमा उभिएको स्पष्ट भएको छ ।\" नागरिक समाजका अगुवा डा. देवेन्द्रराज पाण्डेको भनाइमा, \"कर्फ्यु जारी गरेर सरकारले नागरिकको सार्वभौम सम्पन्नताको उत्सवको लागि पुर्वाङ्गको तयारी दिएको हो ।\"

६ गते विहान ४ बजे ४०-५० जना सिपाही, प्रहरी तथा सादा पोशाकका सुरक्षाकर्मीद्वारा गिरफ्तार गरिएको बताउने नागरिक समाजका अर्का अगुवा डा. मथुराप्रसाद श्रेष्ठ भन्छन्, \"राजतन्त्रले खुट्टा तानिसकेको छ । यस्तो बेलामा उसको होस् हवास हुँदैन र जे पनि गर्न सक्छ । यसले लोकतन्त्र वहालीको लागि राम्रो अवसरको पनि संकेत गर्दछ ।\" श्रेष्ठलाई \'भ्रामक कुरा गरी र्सवसाधारणलाई उत्तेजित पारी सुरक्षामा खलल पुर्‍याएको\' भन्ने पुर्जी दिइएको छ ।

मानवअधिकारवादी कृष्ण पहाडीको भनाइ थियो, \"चारैतिरबाट असफल हुँदा पनि पार्टीहरुलाई काखमा राखेर गला रेट्ने षडयन्त्र अझै सत्ताले रच्दैछ भन्ने भान हुन्छ ।\" प्रहरी प्रशिक्षण केन्द्रमा बन्दी बनाएकाहरुलाई भेट्न गएका राजनीतिकशास्त्री प्रा. कृष्ण खनालले भने, \"हिजोको कर्फ्यु लगाउने कार्यलाई सत्ताले अब आफूसँग भएको सम्पूर्ण शक्ति प्रयोग गरेको अवस्था मान्नुपर्छ । राज्यले नागरिकलाई सुरक्षा दिनुको साटो खुलेआम दिनभरि कर्फ्यु लगाउनु भनेको उसको अब कुनै विकल्प नरहेको संकेत हो । आज जनताको आन्दोलन सफल भएको र सत्ताको हार भइसकेको छ, मात्र सत्ताको हार कसरी \'फर्मलाइज\' हुन्छ त्यो हेर्न बाँकी छ ।\"

आज विहान अन्तै राखिएका नेताहरुलाई प्रहरी प्रशिक्षण केन्द्रमा स्थानान्तरण गरिएको थियो, जसमध्ये नरहरि आचार्य, एन पी सावद, तीर्थराम ढंगोल योगेश भट्टराई रामेश्वर फुयाल पनि थिए ।

Ok nothing to reply for so far today.....

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"Rachan ma dhunga hanyo bhane affailai chitta parcha"

There is no alternative system for Democracy. Democracy is popular system in this era. Why? First of all in democracy people have right choose his/her leader for certain period of time and people have right to get rid of unsuccessful leader from system. The system we have now in Nepal “king democracy”, I mean he has right to choose his associate and expel. How we can equate King and estimation of 27 million people in same boat? If he is true lover of Nepalese people, he would have reciprocated Maoist unilateral ceasefire. Why? This is the only one way to solve problem of killing one Nepal fellow to another Nepal fellow. I(ninety percentage of population) had hope that he will come with positive answer after his visit to African countries. He did not do it. Now, what is he doing to eastern part of Nepal, just ignoring what is happening in western part (police and Maoist killing each other) and capital? Same on him. From this scenario, even layman can draw the picture of King and his motive. I(ninety percentage of population ) am not blaming king, he himself creating his identities.

How democracies work?
Abram Lincoln said one time” democracy by the people, to the people and for the people”. One more things I would like to add democracy will not fulfill every single people desire in overnight. Let us take example of our neighbor India; they became independent and democratic country last 60 years. Don’t they have corrupt leader and what happen to them? This is system of trial/error and solves the problem eventually. Do you know economic growth of India before and after? This is due to good government within democracy. I think 15 years is very short period of time. I also buy that some leaders are corrupt in this 15 years. To check and balance we need new constitution assembly which will bring every single people of Nepal under new constitution.

So guys let keep finger cross to democratic Nepal with week or two…

मलाइ दुख लाग्छ केहि नेपालि दाजु, भाई अनि दिद बहिनि हरु दिमाखि रुपमा ग्रसित भएर साझा मा गरेको ब्यबहार देख्दा तर गर्न सक्दिन केहि किनकि उनिहरु का मुख बाट छुटने वाणिहरु यति निच शब्ले भरिएको हुन्छ न त त्यसमा कुनै लोजिक हुन्छ न त उनि हरु लाइ थोरै मात्रामा पनि अरुको सम्मान गर्न आउछ , नहारनु जेल सम्म जङ्गलका राजा हारे पछि पशु शरहको भाषाले नै यिनिहरु को शब्दकोष बनेको हुन्छ ।हेरक दिन जसै बन्ने यिनि हरु ले बनाउने नया नयाँ निक नेम को रिर्कड सायद साझा.कम मै छैन होला तर यनिहरु को प्रदुसित दिमाखमा हुन्छ ।

अन्त मा लोकतन्त्र पक्षधर साथिहो एक एक पैसा सहयोग गरिदिनुहोस यि दिमाखि रुपमा ग्रसित हरु लाइ को यिनिहरु लगनखेल हस्पिटल गएर आफ्नो दिमाख को उपचार गर्न सकुन।

उहि साझाबसैमा

Yes, Khadka sounds so childish and I think he is now out of this conversation. I strongly Support to Prajatantra and Birbhadra.