hey guys check this out. My nite out last nite. i was with my mates who came to nepal after ages. We ended up in this dance bar where they perfome naked under shower and actually you can pick up the gals as well. this is quite common in nepal.
check out yourself

rudra prasad upadhyaa
"but what about the rest who have nither the education, nor the qualifications to find a job"
Oh, I see. If you're uneducated, poor, with no qualifications, just go and have sex with a stranger. Nice justification.
wehn in the above quote did i claim uneducation poor people should to go have sex with strangers. i am raising the point that there are hundreds and hundreds of people who dont' have any qualifications. they cannot get any other jobs. so it is not like they have choices between a decent payihng job and prostitution. taht is the only claim i am making. u r taking my quotes and somehow twisting them around to make it sound as if i am some kind of psycho.
if you were a sex worker, hypothetically speaking or if you had spoken to any of these women or listened to thier stories, you woul have been a very credible, reliable source, but the fact is, neither you nor i nor anyone else can reallyyy make claims or pass valid judgements when we have no idea waht life is like for them.
all i am saying is rather than judging these women by waht they do, wahty they wear , we have to realize that they must have their own circumstances. lets not rule out that possiblity and directly jump to our own conclusions. besides, sleeping with 100 differnet men until u become sore does not sound like choice for me.
i have never claimed that poverty is a justificaton for prostitution. and yes, most poor women do not resort to this trade to make ends meet and your grandparetns and thousands of other women have resorted to something else. but your grandparetns had something, dind't they????? they had SOME kind of source. no matter how hard they worked, there was someone who was willing to employ them, some one who was ready to pay for thier work, pay for their abilities and qualifications. your grandparetns must have been hardworking people. there was someone who acknowledged their work. and yes, for most poor people, this is how they get by. they do something else because they have an outletttttttt.
and hard work takes you places huh. it does, if u know the contacts, have the resources, know the people ttc etc. if it was only hard work, then hwy are sooooo many hardworking, intelliegent people around the world always stuck in the smae cycle of poverty? why are thsese resoures untapped? that, however, is a differnet argument.
that is why the sex workers in kathmandu are a very small number compared to alll the poor women.....not all the poor women are invovled in these trade because everybody else has some source of income. now u might ask "why not settle for very little money say 1500 rather than becomig a slut". that i don't know. i have never tried living in 1500 a month. may be you have; if it is possible to get by in that amount, than man these women are very rotten.
as for your argumetn about making choices in western countries, hm, not allllll people even in coutnries like germany are well off or make decenet amoutn of money. have you seen girls who are from good families or who make good enough money or girls with good qualifictions resort to this?may be there are some excepttions, but i cannot imagine majority of tehse girls doing it because its fun.
i have exhausted what i had to say.
i can never buy that prostitution is a "choice".

Last post, because I'm not replying to this crappyass thread started by a guy who had sex with a prostitute. If you want to discuss this issue anymore, just try emailing me or something. This thread leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It makes me angry.

"they cannot get any other jobs."
How do you know that? Have you interviewed each and every prostitute you have come across or is this just a matter of opinion? I do realize full well that Nepal's economic situation does not allow for jobs for all and sundry, but the point remains that you can always try to be self-subsistent. Plus, there are many people in the same situation who don't go around having sex with strangers, but instead try to find a job, or try to be self-sufficient. I fail to see how opting to have sex with strangers all by your free will is not choice. You're making a choice: you either have sex with strangers or you don't. I don't need NGO studies to know this much.

"neither you nor i nor anyone else can reallyyy make claims or pass valid judgements when we have no idea waht life is like for them"

That's why I said watch "hookers at the point" on HBO on demand. Many of these girls are just addicted to money. Then again, you're going to say that the situation in Nepal and America is totally different. I will pass judgements on people who have sex with strangers. I think it's immoral and no amount of justification by your, or for that matter anybody else is gonna convince me otherwise. That's the bottomline.

"besides, sleeping with 100 differnet men until u become sore does not sound like choice for me"

You haven't really defined what "choice" is to you. To me, choice is actions you take without a gun to your forehead. In other words, if you're not being forced to do something, then you have choices. You either have sex with 100 men, or you don't. These are the choices you have.

Of course, I cannot deny that there are people whose life is utter chaos, and for that sole reason alone, they are working as prostitutes as the last resort and what not, but how many hookers fall under this category??? You make blanket statements like asserting that prostitution is not choice. It's YOUR body, and you have to decide yourself how you want to use it. As I said earlier, unless you're forced to do something, you have choices. You either have a moral compass or you don't. No matter how much feminists try to convince me, I'm not gonna be persuaded.

"allllll people even in coutnries like germany are well off or make decenet amoutn of money"
I bet my bottom dollar that Germany has free public education. Germany probably has a welfare system in place as well. In Germany, prostitution is a matter of choice, unless you're a sex-slave, as is the case for many Eastern European prostitutes. There are many who fall under this category. And let me mention that I categorically oppose slavery of any form. People who abuse others are the vilest individuals as far as I am concerned.

"it does, if u know the contacts, have the resources, know the people ttc etc"

You can always try saving money. I am pretty sure there are resources for poor people in Nepal as well. There are resources for prostitutes too. As to whether you want to use these resources, once again, it's a matter of choice. The point is that there are outlets in Nepal as well. Most people don't utilize them. It's their lives.

Ok, what I don't get is the fact that women who selltheir bodies are called porstitutes, hoes, sluts, etce tc. What about men who buy sex? what should we call them? What about those pimps (no folks, I ain't talkin abt the kind of pimpin I do- My pimpin is respect. I'm talkin about those pimps who sell these innocent women) who force these girls into slavery?

I don't think prostitution can be a choice(at least not for most). Unless you've got imbalance in your pituitary glands(the one that relesaes the sex hormones), women don't take up prsotitution as a profession. Especially in the case of Nepal, where the population of women would increase by 120,000 if all of our poor women were to be brought back from Kamathipura district, the red light zone of Mumbai- women are always brought up by certain values. Now I'm not saying there aren't those who dont flaunt their bodies and use sex as a means of making money purely by choice. Those women cannot be found in dance bars, etc. They belong to a different "structural scenario" within society. These women prey on other men who end up cheating on their wives etc. These ARE the ones who take up prostitution by choice as call girls etc. These women dont deserve help. Same with pornstars. But then again for every prostitute of that nature there's a 100 other men who destoy 100 other wive's lives.

Now lets speak of OTHER so-called prostitutes. These are the ones found everywhere in dance bars and cabin restaurants and brothels and mny other places. These are the nes who need help and these are the ones who HAVE been forced into sex slavery. Now there's a distinguition to be made a here. Those within the cities- the educated area, where there's plenty of awareness and enlightenment and opportunities for advancement- who take up prostution purely as a result of the fact that they didnt work hard as youths despite their parents' constant outcry and despair; those who flaunted their lives out and then ended up nowehre and decided to take up prostitution- these women don't deserve respect either. They were not sold- nor were they victims of anything.

However, those from rural areas, where theres lack of education- girls from these areas when sold into sex trade NEED help- these are the ones we should feel responsible towards- these are the ones who deserve every bit of our help money towards rehabilitation. But the question of HOW TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THESE TWO GROUPS remains. This is where humanity comes into play. Our social structure, our values our religious philosophy dictates- and as we have thus allowed ourselves to be dictaed not as a result of dictation but that of our own conscientious rationale- that we help EVERYONE . When these women come out and say please helpme- we help them. Heck- WE FORCE THESE women to be helped. If they think prostitution looks good on their resume- so be it- lets give them a 4.0 PPA (prostitution point average) and leave them to it. For those in dire need we should think of them differently.

Next time you goto these bars to have sex with one of these girls think about it- think about the fact that these girls have been sold into it- MAJORITY of them at least. And no argument along the lines of "how do we know which one is sold and which one is doing this with proper consciousness" can justify your going there. You go there- you support sex slavery, you support child sex trade- you support selling of sistersand mothers and daughters -YOU ALL HAVE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE in your family.

If you decide to goto a stripclub where it is lawfully stated thatthese women are these as per their OWN decision- well its your call. I would still like to boast to my future loving wife that I never went there and that I waited for herto come along. As for the rest of you- every time you lie saying what I WOULD SAY- youll feel a pang in your heart and its gonna hurt like a 1000 scorpions have stung you. If it oesnt hurt- well then you dont belong to this society. NOW THAT is a rationale that may not be correct- belonging to the nice society i just spoke of MAY not be correct because there could be others where prostituion and all the evils in ours is good in that society. You're welcome to leave ours and join that.

WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO STOP YOU. YOU ARE 100% JUSTIFIED TO DO THAT.

Thank you for read this.

TT- The all seeing time.

alrite this is getting too much. Well everyone has different
thinking and concept. I dont care dyam about what you think and what you will do? It dont concern me> like some one said that is the last point where i can fall? do you wanna know how far i have fallen. Do you want to know what the heck is my hitting bottom.
Just go and resuce them and tell her. sister! i will give 5 thousand a month, will you lead a normal life.
1. That wont give her satisfaction when she is making 3-5 thousand a nite only by tips not even sleeping with anyone. They get paid 6ooo a month.
2. The dont want to change profession now and most of them are attracted to it for money and fast life
3. Most of them are ended up being keep on the rich people and they dont mind being it.
4. There prefer married man or some one in mid life crisis, it is easy for them
5. I had a difficulty coz i dont drink, ppl who dont drink are hard to be trapped
6. Lets say do you know who does supply gal to your political leader madav nepal, girija and some more.
7. They are boosting it then who can do it
8. It is open in all around valley there is no goverment action
9. NGO My a$$ big time, They want to get richer than helping other
10. I am not showing bravery here by posting pic but has brought to attention what is going on.
11. LIke IMI said " you want apolozie, I would to put my insane brain and heart to your feet and say sorry madame et moiseur. I am lame a$$junkie, mofocker, son of a bEEICch, worst son ever had in this earth. I am worst than ratna park ko bhalu, The wastage sperm is better than me. I should have not born in this earth, i am result of torn condom.

12. One thing my progamme has taught is be a karma yogi....not to have any attachment. If krishna does it then it is lila and if you and i do it then it is sane.
13. when someone from jain relegion gives speech naked then it is engliment and not haveing attachement but if we do it then it is vulgar.

13. May be i have reached the point where this things dont touch me and neither going to. Remeber one thing you cant change ppl place and things. Accept the ppl as they are and i have accepted you all. I can see some red and irritated face behind the screen. who is in harm? excuse me, not me. It is that all you who is bothered. They are not bothered nor am I? There land lady knows they work on it, still accepted why they pay more and get money on time. If the same person works and earn 4 thousand a month then it will be problem for land lady.

14. I am not suggesting anyone to be prostitute for money but this is result of urban life dude, They come to ktm for dreams and want to life larger than they think.
15. This is the result of their expectation,higher expectation.....they cant accpet the realty of life.
16. I even told one gal to come with me to art of living course for week, It will help her to accept the reality and life. She dont want it, She want to own nice mobile, ride around in car and married to someone older guy even he is married.
17. Dude, this gals are helping lot of our parents to enjoy life on this age.

So whatever you think " whatever happens happens for good and whatever is happenig is for good" If you wanna change then try it and let me know if you pass the test

It is only in the hand of time and oneself to change. The most you can do is show them a mirror. Dont you ever think, you can change me. I am what am i?
Dont expect me to be football of your opinion neither your remote control. YOu praise me, i will be happy, you made me sad, i will be sad. Dude this is life not remote control.I live my life that way.

accept it or ignore it.

Kamra yogi
moneyminded.

whatever you may think, karma yogi my a$$....yes rite

And just went back and read the post by gundaa. I guess I was wrong in my facts. the actual number as stated by gundaa is 200,000- gundaa is right. i had stated 120,000

Also gundaa bro- kamathipura IS THE LARGEST red light zone in the world.

I'm actually planning to do something abt it from here. Tara yahan ko manche haru talk talk but no action- the have awareness days, seminars LOTS OF IT. but no avail. I guess nepal mai garnu parla je gare pani.

Besides, when I go back to Nepal in a couple years, instead of spending the $4000 I set aside as my ependiture while in Nepal I've decided to spend it on Maiti Nepal. I guess instead of spending it on my friends in the J- Bar and what not and having one night FUN giving it to Maiti nepal will give me fare more satisfaction and fun.

Anuradha Koirala was my first teacher says my mum. She taught me during nursesy so that gives me a bit of encouragement as well.

How abut from now on when we goto Nepal, we donate some money to Maiti Nepal- visit the girls there and let them know that we- the ones who have gone west have not forgotten- how about me raise their hopes and let them know that there are people around the world who care for them? This way- the ones who have been rescued will be encourage to fight and stand up against those evils of society. Theirs is the army we need to combat this horrendous crime.

Damn RIGHT!!!! ONLY TIME WILL TELL. And by god one this TIME will tell!
Time can only flow forward but only time knows what happened before, what is happening now and what WILL HAPPEN. And this is what WILL happen.
TIME will bring about a change. TIME will change history- whether you're with ME or NOT!

COMMON DUDE, THERE IS SO MANY ORGANISATION WHICH IS OFFERING THE FREE TRANING TO SKILL WOMEN TO LEAD THE LIFE.

THEY ARE INVITING MANY WOMENS AND LOT.

LOT OF THEM HAS SUCCED>

BRO GARNE KTE HARU LE SAFA TEMPO CHALAYERA PANI EXAMPLE DEKO CHA.
GARNE KTE HARU LE UDAM SIL KO TALIM LIYERA PANI GARE KO CHA
GARNE KTE HARU LE DHERAI GAREKO CHA

ONLY PROBLEM IS HIGHER EXPECTIONS OF THIS YOUNGER GALS WHO FORCE THEM FOR THE BIGGER DREAMS IN THIS JOB. NO ONE FORCE THEM TO BE BAR DANCER.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY MEN IN NEPAL HAS RAKHEL OUTSIDE?
YOU CANT IMAGINE, MAY BE MY FATHER OR YOUR FATHER HAS ONE AS WELL?

DUDE, THINK THINK AND THINK

EXPECTATION KILLS, DONT EXPECT ME TO GAUTAM BUDDHA SPEAKING AND PREACHING HERE ALL THE TIME. LIFE SHOULD BE BALANCE OF ALL.
YOU ARE AFRAID OF HELL, I HAVE BEEN THERE.

I have read several posting of you Mr MM..I don;t understand is you have compared yourself so many times with Gautam Buddha and so forth..

I am 100% sure you are not worth compare with buddha servral times..And yet you keep comparing yourself..

infact everyone wish to be like him, Its not easy that why buddha is buddha not moneyminded or keho. you made me laugh but it is phrase, i though you have better english. Dude you need to work out on your anxiety rather than misplacing your anger. I let you pour over me atleast i am good at taking trash from people.

good on ya

dude MM , cut the crap!
enough !!!!
you have made joke out of yourself.It is sad to see a an aquintance being a matter of laugh and infamous.If you go and sleep with postitutes you have no right to speak.Because you are contributing it .And what was the need for telling the whole world you slept with hooker???

So , better endulge yourself in productive stuff .Not in sex and drugs.Ok !!Better learn some cooking along with your philosophy:)

Ok still posititution is a still a choice and it is the choice of clients like MM to go to them!!
there is nothing to be sad if someone does willing for money.If they are sold and made them do stuff forcfully then that is sad.You can balme system, govt, poverty as much as you like cannot deny the fact that at the end of the day there is always an alternative.

And MM stop it!!!

MoneyMinded...All I have to say is that you are very DUMB...And I can say this as well..where does the height of dumbness starts and end, that would be you moneyminded..

MM..FYI I was kinda upset to see your posting in this public site and was even more surprised how you wanted to be applaud, how you compare yourself to Buddha and all those ridiculous things that you write. However, after going through some of your postings in the same thread...I am not angry with you or even upset...I feel sorry for you...You need to go to Therapy and you need very serious help...

Remember Beauty Fades but dumbness remains for life.. And hopefully you will come out from your dumb mind soon before it is too late....

That's it no more b.s with you..Lastly I don't wish to be Lord Buddha-I certainly am his follower, he is a divine soul and just to touch his stone statue feet and feel peace is all I wish and ask for.

Thin line separates genuis with fools, who and what is our capacity to judge someone right.
Buddha was called so because he was buddhu to leave the comforts of materialistic life in search of what others thought a waste of time and useless.
I agree onething with MM, he is bold to confess and express, way to go mate...

lau lau timi nai hanuman timro nai puchar lamo, timi le nai lanka jalako....till then let me enjoy my ciggi.

hahahahahahahahah

first learn to accept the ppl then talk big guys! anyways thanks god i dont have tail and horns

hahhahaha

IMI STATES"Ok bathroom coffee: it might be conquest for him not for somebody else .It is his life .this is his thread and this public forum .He can say do what ever he likes.He is not asking you to pat his back or anything."

I am realizing that this is offending many people and i think though it is public forum ,one should not offend it like this.So, i think MM knows better!

It might be a conquest for him and not for somebody ? Are we in Medieval times ? Or The Conquistadors ? Just shows what type of mentality he has. And he wants us to accept him with that attitude ? he he He think he is doing great Nepali social service by sleeping with them and taking them out for lunch and dinner(Syabashhh Chora tailey ekdaam ramro kaam garish).

IF it is a public forum, like him WE CAN SAY WHAT WE WANT TOO(but there will be repurcussions) !! If he is not asking us to pat his back then why is he saying that people don't have the guts to go out with gals like that(Idiot does not know that people DO go out with gals like that BUT THEY KEEP IT PRIVATE) ?

We are not offended just exasperated with his deeds. To top it off MORON thinks he is doing social service. he he

This bathroom coffee has no life. He is trying to feel important by dissing people in sajha. Best thing to do is ignore his ass. Let the posers pose themselves out. Let him bark like a dog. If noone responds to him he's gonna realize what a worthless life he is and go his own way. Losers like him tell people to mind their own business but he likes to dip his head in every pile of shiit he comes across. Acts like he's the POLICE of righteousness. He should look at the mirror first. LOL. Just look at the way he uses profanity. Looks like someone's parents didn't teach them proper etiquettes of communication.

I have no Life Bhusan ? he he ok !! Me trying to feelimportant by dissing pplin sajha ? Ha ha ha Yeah ignore my ass thats why you were responding to my posts right MORON ? Me a poser ? he he he thats new to me Featherbrain. Yeah I will bark, and if you come close I will BITE YOU TOO ..ha ha ha Owww My life is worthless and you life is very valuable right MR Kendergaarden(only kindegaaden kids argue like that) he he he. Yeah I am minding my own business till your imbecile ass butted in here. I am not police of righteousness(did you ever hear me claim that ? he he Dunderhead !!). I use profanity to Shieteheads like you YEAH !! THERE YOU GO AGAIN ATTACKING MY FAMILY..HE HE MORON CANNOT ARGUE WITH ME THEREFORE GOES AFTER MY FAMILY(very typical of IDIOTS like you).he he

"I've learnt to ignore this attention seekers mad rantings, others should do the same. "
He has learnt to ignore attention seekers....ha ha ha thats why he wus responding right!!! MR ANALIRRITANT.

"Moneyminded.. you only live once and you gotta do what you wanna do. Not stay in a safe distance under the veil of anonymity and try to be all righteous yet full of venom, trying hard to be heard. Man i feel sorry for this guy BC. "
You feel sorry for me ? ha ha ha Touche Nitwit. Me trying to be heard ? FOR WHAT MORON ? I could give a horse's ass about money minded or a 2bitpunk like you. he he Unlike you trying to pick up chicks here in this site I am just passin time(just practicing ma freedom of speech),he he

time traveller- U GO MAN!! good for you. if some other people would start thinking like u i think there would be so much change. but i m so sure u r changing many people's lives by ur contribution. even changing 1 person's life is amazing.

i want to do the same help these women stand up on their feet and give them dignity. also its important to send their kids to school (if they have kids)

i still dont understand how some people can say prostitution is a choice??? for whom is it a choice???

Oh jesus,

this is a long nasty thread. Isn't that the dance bar in "sahidgate", X-bar ho ki ki ke bhanne. Tyaha ki priya bhanne dancer kata gaichha yaar? ma nepal janda ta thi ahile chhaina re .

Prostitution is bad good bhanne galfatti is something that i dont care. I would like to have it the scandenavian way " PROSTITITION IS LEGAL AS LONG AS IT IS NOT THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF INCOME". In poor country like nepal facing multiple problem, thinking about eradication of prostitution is only a distant dream, its better to realise the truth and try to manage it, I dont mean encourage it.

exactly. lets put it this way. imagine your daughter/sister/wife/cousin having to do this and a stranger raping her, or abusing her or selling her body like meat in maitidevi's chowk.

How would you feel?

Just cut the crap Timetraveller , enough of this !
It is one of socio-economical problem no one is denying.But complete eradication impossible.
Sad people have to do this but If people want to change there is alternatives .You just have to explore.Positution can become choice as well as it could be forceful.But those girls who are used to easy money (like MM said , why would they work hard when they can sleep with one person and make 5k one night)
So,there it is just not socioeconomical problem it also probelm of greed and materalistic life.I don't compeltely blame them neither i sympathize.I think everybody agrees on that and should stop trying to potray themself as god.

hare bathroom coffee, take a chill pill, you may have heart attack swearing at me and shouting on me. Hitting harder your keyboard will cost you extra money. Just chillax man. By the way i dont understand your complicated vocabulary can you say in simple english. " maile ke nai liyera aako thiye ra gumauna" I am only using it from mother earth for time being, once i wil die someone will use it. Mother earth is just giving me for while. This is what i take dude! how can u insult me when i dont feel it, Did i brought with my birth my brother bathroom coffee, what is dignity? it is state of mind, illusion.
when ppl say i wil try, it dosent exit at all, either you do it or you dont. Why are you wasting your energy and brain on my me? Either stand to change, if you think and when you change then i will be ashamed. If you cant change then hope you understand you have to accept then to change.
I am happy for myself dude! your words dont touch me at all. Now who is getting pissed dude! just accpet it and surrender your ego to gurudev. he will take care of rest. Your suffering is not me yourself. Look at me i am bindass live my life. Learn to live in present dont make it pain but putting in past.
so dude just chill chill just chill...........hey hey wait i can see your red face with eyes almost poping out of your face. Hold man! say soham,soham
do it in fast rythm for 20 times, slow for 20 times and medium for 20 times
you need some yoga. i reccomed you pranayam 1,2,3 stage big time
then do it dhanuasahana and also practise kapal bhati, i will make u thanda like coca cola.
you need to do omkara as well every morning. take a walk , get a dog , you need to divert your energy.

YOU ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU CAN CHANGE PPL PLACE AND THINGS. I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST.

WHEN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CHANGE PPL THEN WRITE A BOOK. YOU WILL BE BIG COZ NO ONE HAS CHANGED ANYONE NOW. YOU CAN CHEAT ME ENTIRE WORLD BUT SHOW ME HOW YOU CHEAT YOURSELF. TALK YOUR HEART NOT TO YOUR BRAIN

YOUR BRAIN IS CUTTING SHARP EDGE, IT CUTS LOT OF THINGS

JUST CHILL, DUDE ......say om nama shivaya...leave in hand of lord shiva


om shanti

just showing you mirror: from lame as$,moron moneyminded, oh yes i am idiot as well. aint I? thank you for showing my reality. Nowdays ppl do false praising but someone like you should be clean of heart who show ppl what they are? it hurts in begining but truth is truth haina. satya titio huncha ne

la la guru