Sorry Parmendra bhagat, I am sorry to call this but you being an activist for madhesh thought were doing the right thing. But there are pros and cons for coming into lime light to whatever your philosophy is. You and the people who think like your have participated in enough havoc in Nepal.

I here by call any Nepali to call INS or IRS and report any wrong doing about Wrong Doing that this guy has done in the US. He has to be thrown out of US. This is not a leg pulling but atleast we can get this bull shit guy deported back to Nepal so that He can face what the reality is. Report any of his wrong doing so that he can be sent back to Nepal. Let him face the reality of what his madhesh is. Call to all the sajhaites to send him back to Nepal. You can be anonymous. I know its a cheap, under the belt shot but hey I am ready to take it before this mofo tears Nepal Apart.

Cummon Sajhaites help this guy get deported.

Yes, Parmendra's ideas are disgusting, but so are sovereigntists'. Nepal has become a battleground for stupid and extrimist ideas.

jail ma halnu parcha yo chor bhagate lai.

which century r u living in ??? Do you think gandhism will work for people with the mentality of parmendra ??? Gandhi was lucky that Brits were very soft, had it been other races like germans, his sorry ass would have end up in some concentration camps. If the people like parmendra slaps you and you give him ur another cheek he will shoot you. By the way where did you see extremist ideas ..... we are not talking abt madhesi .... we r talking abt parmendra only. you will grow what you sow ...... if he spread hatred .. he will be hated too.

Cool down dear ritthe_jasus and take a little bit time to think about what stratagies we should adopt in order to save Nepal.

thats what we should do ...... but do u really think this parmendra guy deserves excuse?

I do not really understand What Bhagwat did! Can anyone in Sajha explain to me plz

Dear ritthe_jasus, its time for all Nepali people to rise above our differences and come to a long term and sustainable solution.

true but have to crush these oppertunists too who wouldnot think twice before pimping even his own mother.

pokhara sathi u can start from http://sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=40854

pokhara, I am sure you also get the spams from 'madhesi nepal' or whatever,,, its all done by this guy.

another nepali I have already posted more than 20 messages so can be my last one .... good to chat with u ..... so long

This is sad that people do not even realize how racist and selfish they're being. I read in a book , during the time of slavery in down south a black child was raped. Black people beat up the guy. Later the guys people burned the houses of black people. They were not saying sorry to the girl but were feeling victim that the guy got beat up.
You guys lack empathy. You don't even understand what if might felt to be like a madeshi. Such large and ferlite part of Nepal, and how manypoeple do you see as ministers, generals in army, cornels, officers in govt, or PM? how many people have become ambassadors or teachers in ktm from madesh?
are they not Nepali? they have Nepali citizens but always looked down or doubt thier partotiasm just because they have accent. I fully sympathize the madeshi movement , if done peacefully and even join them. If only it could be done in peaceful way , i would be very happy. Thisis a long over due result and , here it is.....

Dyamn you look at it only one way. Why dont you join Nepali in India for the cause of seperate state. They are also being supressed, how many Nepali do you see lead any army in India, how many state chief minister of Nepali origin do you see in India, is the Police in Nepali people hand where they are the majority. It was even in the new recently where they doubted a Nepali in parliament of India wether he was Indina, so dont give me shit about these pepole being oppressed. The parliament holds 53 people of terai origin, they speak hindi in parliament, now what else do they want to ask for. The military, now that is bullshit because that is like telling someone to run your family, thats not how it works. There is this much problem without them being in military or police, now imagine giving them guns and making it legal, they would be worse then JTMM and they have proved that in Terai right now.

Also dymn you may be okay with what is happening to people of Pahade origin in terai but we are not and do not try to tell us we are wrong in experessing it with anger. You have your opinion we have ours. If you think we are being selfish and racist then (if you are a pahade) send your family to terai and see what they do to them and screw you.

Well said Dyamn, if we can't accept that all Nepalese citizens are equal whether they are Madhesi or Pahadi, Bahun or Dalit and so on, the state of Nepal will soon become a history. We must learn to live together and tolerate others' ideas. We must create a just and peaceful society for everyone. In doing so, we must reject all violent methods.

So what would you do when they attack your family another_Nepali. You would welcome them and say do so, in a chance they the attacker would leave you alone. Get a life, in this world you either kill or get killed.

Dear Ne23pe, what's happening in Nepal is a result of our inability to create a just society for everyone. Yes, I do agree, there are people who are trying to take political advantage of the situation. But, if the society can't give a respectable place for everyone, then this kind of situation is inevietable sooner or later. We must pay for our ignorance and injustice.

dyamm,

if u see through my eyes, i see people being very tolerant in this ongoing issue. madhesi protesters have already killed pahadis and burnt many pahadi houses and properties, but still pleople in pahad are holding sadbhab rally, no pahadi has picked weapon yet against madhesis in the whole history of nepal so far. protesters killed one pahadi police brutally in retaliation to the killing of their cadre, but have padahes taken any retaliations ??? no and neither will. if the people can talk about the partition of the country, do you think you can expect patriotism from them (extremists). there r many examples too look at udit narayan jha, once he went to india, he feels humiliated to call himself nepali, had nepal given him not enough love? Here i am not generalizing all madhesi. since madhesh is in border to india, and the border in open many peoples' half of the relatives are in india due to marriage relations, so many people have equal affection to both countries.

As for high ranks are considered, not only madhesis all the groups are deprived from those ranks. newars inspite of being one of the most literate tribes doesnot hold those positions as well. recently nepal army disclosed numbers of madhesis in service to be more than 7000, i believe that is reasonably big number considering the total number of military men.

Descrimination was there, I won't deny but not of the size as projected. Inferiority complex is in madhesi peoples' mind too, you have to agree on this. If you carry the issue every deed will seem discriminating which otherwise would be taken as friendly gesture.

if the love for country had been there, they would not have thought of deviding the country but have come up with solution on how to reduce the gap. if the devision of the country is their in their mind , they can come up with any reasons to make their objective look sane.

there may be many errors, please correct urself

I never said i support the violence. I strongly support the struggle to get reconized. Nepalis in India are foreigners. Some Nepali origins people who are indians are so minor in compare to the vast Indian numbers that it is not suprisingto see so little of them in the Army or high ranking places.
However, Madeshis in Nepali are almost the half or at least 2/3 of the Nepal. They and feed Nepalis whether it is pahadis or madeshis with their fertile land. The tarai part of Nepal should be the part to get special recognization, but it's not. They are just as part of Nepal and they're Nepals as kathmandu or anyone from Kathmandu.
I do not want my family to be attacked or anyone's family to be attacked. I do not want to be disrespected or steriotyped in my own country and i do not want to accept the fact that madeshis are violated in Nepal and support the people who would like to do such to madeshi people; in our Nepal, which belongs to them as well.
As far as pahadis in madesh goes, well, if you have lived in the madesh then you would see that they're the richest, landlords and in power - whether it is govt, police or army. Why? cuz madeshis are discriminated in their own majority.
It was like in south Africa where whites were minority and blacks were majority. where there was apathy rule and while whites were enjoyin the extereme fun of first world , blacks were living in slums, bushes and suffering hell fire in the same land....
i can't be part of such discrimination happening to my own country. I have spent lots of my time in tarai part as being a phadis. and I've seen how pahadis treat madeshis and how those poor and simple people still treat them with respect...
Like i said this struggle for recognization is long over due.... let the voices be hear.. only pray and wish is everything done in non-violent way....

People are free to demand their right but have to be with in the limit. Instead of blaming others they have to rise themself to create a competitive society.

You can give person rights, money or property, job or PM post but you cannot fill thir filthy brain with wisdom. My point is - if a "Damai" do not go to sew clothes in a "Bahun's" house, the bahun has no right to accuse damai for not turning up to sew his clothes. Since damai always goes to bahun's house and sew's cloth for the whole day for 2 kg rice, then naturally damai is making bahun superior - he can claim that you survive because I give you 2 kg rice otherwise you will go hungry. But what the damai fails to do is to realize from with in and raise the self confidence to survive without bahun's 2 kg rice.

Now then, what is the role of the govt? Govt should protect the people and give the opportunity to the people who want to be independent and raise their standard. They should provide initial loan and may be also some land.

But what the govt cannot do is keep giving 10,000 rupees all the time. you get something but now you have to work hard to make your destiny. People work hard everywhere. No one earns money by just talking in chiya pasal. Thats what everyone has to realize.

Implication to bahun: he has to sew the clothes himself or take them to the professional people and pay RS 2000. Now he will realize how much he was benifitting from Damai.

Terai problem may not be the same but I am sure it is similar.

Lets assume Terai became an independent state - do you think that will bring change in the poverty level? I doubt. may be some vocalist will get the political power and the power to control the money but there is less than 1% chance it will be better than what it is now. Tthe poor and the backward community will never get chance to rise.

I therefore urge all the backward community to rise regardless of their background - ke madhesi, ke kami, ke damai, ke kirat. Dont just blame the govt. govt's responsibility is to make infrastructure, the laws, the environment. I am totally against the idea it should give 2 ministers so that every dalits will be happy! Stupid idea. you have to become able person to become a minister and not just because somebody gives "dan" to you.

Jai Nepal
Very healthy discussion.
I agree with many of you.
I am not against Madhesi poor people. They should get justice.

But question is: if you divide Nepal and give them four districts in Terai. Within a year, they will

further divide them in 16 districts (4 from each). Those people have no unity for the welfare for

Madhesh. Those people are greedy, charkaribaj, influenced by India. So far, they are now acting

under the umbrella of Indian calculated move.

Jai Nepal