एनात्वृतम नित्यमिदम हि सर्वम ज्ञ: कालकारो गुणी सर्वविद य: I
तेनेशितम कर्म विवर्ततेह प्रिथिव्यप्तेजोनिलखानि चिन्त्यम II २ II

It should be known that energy assumes various forms such as earth, water, light, air, and space at the command of Him who is the master of Gunas (Satva, Rajas, & Tamas) and the maker of time, who is omniscient who is pure consciousness itself, and by whom all this is ever enveloped. (Svetasvatara Upanishad)

ब्रो त स्लॊऒओ मोसनमा दिउसै हाइ भा जस्तो छ नि .. #कुरो

Saying that Shloka is equivalent to E=MC2 formula by Einstein is similar to saying I discovered Calculus when I was a kid who found out that putting together small puzzle pieces makes a big picture piece.
Yes, it is commendable to realize that energy can take other forms, but it sure isn't same as coming up with the exact formulation.

For your reading pleasure:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/srimad-bhagvat-gita/enstein-theory-of-mass-energy-conservation-e-mc2-in-srimad-bhagvat-gtia/259010657479939?ref=nf

@kiddo.....Yes, the mantra doesn't give the exact formula but it is a hint for the scientist. Vedas doesn't give you formula in an easy understandable way but is highly codified in its structure and usually is in a simple one sentence structure! Through this mantra I just wanted to bring the idea that Vedas contains deep scientific knowledge. You can have the general idea that the ancient Risis knew the inter changeable aspects of energy and matter thousands of years ago.

Agreed.

Yo Ujl, are you an enlightened being? If not, maybe close to enlightenment? Is enlightenment your goal? What will you do after you get enlightenment? You'll probably want to share your knowledge with fellow humans to guide them to the truth. Will you be charging $$ for this knowledge?

@ Power_Ranger..... I do not consider myself a realized master at this point but I am very happy that I have some deep knowledge from the Upanishads about Atman and Brahman. Reality is beyond mind.

- Is enlightenment your goal?
> Yes. And all life moves towards this Self realization. All life moves towards permanent satisfaction. This is why we have evolution working on this planet. Darwin just talk about physical evolution. But, along with this physical evolution, we also go through the evolution of consciousness which only Vedas talk about.

-What will you do after you get enlightenment?
> After enlightenment, there will be no such thing as I. Whatever I do, it will be directed from Cosmic will or Isvara will.

-Will you be charging $$ for this knowledge?
> Knowledge is priceless. Reality is beyond wisdom and ignorance. Wisdom and Ignorance are just modification of the mind. Reality is beyond any modification. That's why we call it Absolute or Brahman.

A realized master will have no desire because he/she dwells in the pure silence of Atman which is infinite bliss where all desires are fulfilled at one stroke. I will be more than happy to share Upanishadic knowledge to those who prepares themselves fit enough for this knowledge because the path of self realization is as sharp as a razor edge.

pranam guruji. pailagu

@ujl,so the hindu brahmins knew such profound scientific knowledge from the vedas-then why did it take for a german jew to discover the theory of relativity and the energy-mass equation??didnt the holy sages themselves understand sanskrit well??or are they mentally retarded and cant learn anything good from such great books though they have them like for 2000 years??why was even the plough not invented in india and came from egypt?
this is all the face of the neo-hinduism or as some call it wahabi -hinduism.like the nostradamus verses,some people try to correlate everything to vedic scriptures and the civilisation of that time.this is utter bullshit.i am not saying that the sanatana culture or the indian civilisation has nothing to offer,but it is also not true that the society and the civilisation here was perfect.no culture was perfect in human history,since humans are imperfect by nature.the greatest civilisation the world has seen is the post-enlighment western european civilisation,without it we wouldnt even be here alive.

If they had that level of understandings, why didn't they invent atomic bomb?
Well, the scripts talk about Bhramastra, which would have a similar effect. Of course no other details can be found so it'd be up to us to believe or not. If you go strictly by Science, you need more proof than mere mention of the term, hence I really don't believe it. But they allegedly keep on bringing other "evidences" like this one :
http://veda.wikidot.com/ancient-city-found-in-india-irradiated-from-atomic-blast

@shiva_linga.....If I talk about Vedic inventions here in Sajha, it will sound like a science fiction. It will be very hard for an ordinary human mind to understand such concepts. Would you believe me if I say that they had Vimanas which could be mentally controlled? Vimanas that could travel in a speed of mind is mentioned in the Vedas. As Kiddo mentioned above, Brahma Shastras are mentioned in the Vedas which are like atom bombs. Infact, Vedic sheers knew what was beyond atoms! Atoms in sanskrit is called 'Anu'. They even knew 'Param-Anu'. Param Anu is that which is beyond atom. Even modern science don't have any clue about this Param Anu. Would you believe me that during Satya Yuga, Asvins Kumar could do head transplant? This all sounds like modern fictional story. I again repeat, Vedas is not something that you understand through you logical mind. Vedas has to be experienced. Knowledge is Being. Being and knowledge are not two separate things ultimately, but Humans are limited by their sense perception and believe whatever they see is only real, rest is all mithya for them.

Who can tell what was there before creation? Even the gods arose after the creation. Who can can tell how many universes evolved and collapsed since the time immemorial? Who can tell?

Ujl are you sure about this "Even modern science don't have any clue about this Param Anu."

Anu = atom
Paramanu = nucleus

Ujl said "I again repeat, Vedas is not something that you understand through you logical mind. Vedas has to be experienced. "

So, how does one "experience" the Vedas?

1) One experience the Vedas through chemicals (drugs)?
2) One experiences the Vedas after a very bad life experience?
3) One experiences the Vedas as a life therapy?
4) One has to be lucky (chosen by God) to be able to experience the Vedas?
5) What do you think the reason behind you being able to experience the Vedas?

On a side note, why is India, the land of the Vedas, is so underdeveloped with so much suffering?

Ujl, I always have this question in my mind.
What's the purpose of that education[Vedas] when 99% of people in this world can't benefit out it?
I believe in only those education which can impact people.

Even if Vedas were right, as you said, I would not give any credit to them. Not even 0.00001% because they were not the one who changed this world. Real scientists, mathematician, astrologist, chemist, doctors, engineers etc did. Those people dedicated their life so that we can benefit in today's modern life.
sorry even if you were 100% right and vedas were 100% right I don't care and it's no value to me just like we care about out sun which provides us light and has been helping us sustain in this world but we rarely care about those tiny stars which provide almost no light at all.

@sajhamitra....
and yet we talk more about stars and accommodate them in our songs and poems while Sun is hardly ever mentioned.

@ Sahi baba....Paramaunu is the smallest part of the atom. Intellect cannot reach Paramanu. There is no english word for Paramanu. Atoms are the phases of Paramanu. Paramanu is the subtlest you can ever imagine and is indestructible.

@sajhamitra:
-- What's the purpose of that education[Vedas] when 99% of people in this world can't benefit out it?
>> When you take medicine, it starts its healing process. If you want to get rid of the disease from your body, you must see the doctor and use appropriate medicine. Most people in this world don't follow Vedas at all, then how can it bring any benefit. You must take the medicine to see its effect. Modern schools in Nepal and India do not follow Vedic system of education, and their minds are filled with greed based education system where everybody wants to be something in the expense of others. Vedas is holistic in nature, it wants everybody's well-being. Vedas is interested not only in your materialistic well-being but your mental and spiritual well-being also.

-- I would not give any credit to them. Not even 0.00001% because they were not the one who changed this world. Real scientists, mathematician, astrologist, chemist, doctors, engineers etc did. Those people dedicated their life so that we can benefit in today's modern life.

>> It was Aryabhatta who gave 0 (Zero) to this world. You wouldn't be able to type those words through the computer if Aryabhatta had not discovered Zero. The idea of pi, calculus, trigonometry all came from Vedic civilization. The first surgical operation was done by a Vedic physician. The distance between earth and sun was precisely calculated during Vedic times. There are systems in Vedic math through which you can multiply 985638 * 987567 in just 10 sec mentally without using pen and paper. Distillation process was first invented in India. There is still and monument in India which is made of stainless steel which is intact to this point. Ayurvedic medicine is still used all over the world as an alternate, holistic medicine. There are many interesting facts about Vedas which will take a lot of time to describe here. I suggest you read the history of Vedic civilization writing any negative comments about Vedas.

@Power_Ranger:
-- On a side note, why is India, the land of the Vedas, is so underdeveloped with so much suffering?
>> Because people don't follow Vedas at all. They go to temple, kill a goat during Dashain and offer goat to goddess Devi and eat the meat of goat to satisfy their animalistic instinct and justify their behavior by misinterpreting Vedas. Our present rituals and customs are deluded and not a pure Vedic system. If Vedas says, Asvamedha Yagya, it doesn't mean you bring a horse and kill that poor animal and sacrifice it. This is what is happening with Nepal and India. Same thing with caste system: The Varna system of Vedas is wrongly interpreted as caste. People just don't have time to follow Vedas. They go with the popular belief.

-- How does one experience Vedas?
>> How do you experience love? How do you experience food? By making it part of your system. When you make Vedas part of life, you automatically experience it. In short, you experience Vedas through contemplation and meditation.

ujl, I haven't done much research like you and I may not be intelligent like you too but I believe in science. So my apology if I offend you. I am just trying to involve in this healthy debate.
please convince me if vedas were that powerful back in the days then why only handful of people practicing vedas these days.
You keep on saying people are not following vedas and I am asking "Why?"
If vedas were that powerful and so effective then why people were not following it. According to you Vedic system should have been universal law by now but reality is its not and I am again asking "Why?"
Are you trying to conclude vedas were effective but not influential or is it so hard to follow that most people would just give up?

It's amazing how you seem to have your own definition of things

परमाणु (एटम) किसी तत्व का सबसे छोटा भाग है जिसमें उस तत्व के रासायनिक गुण निहित होते हैं। परमाणु के केन्द्र में नाभिक (न्यूक्लिअस) होता है जिसका घनत्व बहुत अधिक होता है। नाभिक के चारो ओर ऋणात्मक आवेश वाले एलेक्ट्रान चक्कर लगाते रहते हैं जिसको एलेक्ट्रान घन (एलेक्ट्रान क्लाउड) कहते हैं। नाभिक, धनात्मक आवेश वाले प्रोटानों एवं अनावेशित (न्यूट्रल) न्यूट्रानों से बना होता है। जब किसी परमाणु में एलेक्ट्रानों की संख्या उसके नाभिक में स्थित प्रोटानों की संख्या के समान होती है तब परमाणु वैद्युकीय दृष्टि से अनावेशित होता है; अन्यथा परमाणु धनावेशित या ऋणावेशित ऑयन के रूप में होता है।

@sajhamitra.....Vedas itself is so vast that it is like diving in a vast ocean. Ordinary person just don't understand where to start from. The language of Vedas is Sanskrit. How many people in Nepal and India know Sanskrit? Is Sanskrit commonly spoken language in Nepal and India? No. This is another difficulty. Even if you start reading English translation of Vedas, you might have different interpretation. This is another difficulty. For example: In Svetasvatara Upanishad it says: Na Tasya Pratima Asti. Many people translate this as "It has no Image" and use this verse saying idol worship is prohibited in the Vedas. The real translation of the verse is: "There is no one equal to it." So, there are many technical difficulties considering the codified language of Vedas itself. Many simple words and joined together to make very long words in Sanskrit, so it becomes very difficult for a layperson to begin with. If schools in Nepal and India start Sanskrit education from early childhood starting class 1, then when they reach 12th standard they would be fluent in Sanskrit and can study Vedas by themselves. Studying Vedas in Sanskrit has its own benefit. The words are arranged in such a way that correct pronunciation of Vedic mantras bring special vibrational effect in mental and physical body. You can experience this yourself. Chant the Purusha Sukta and experience the effect yourself.
Also, there are many reasons why people are not following Vedas these days. The administrative system(government) is alienating itself from the Vedas and they have not brought any systematic education system of Sanskrit in the schools starting childhood years. Learning language in old age becomes difficult and one lose interest in it. So, childhood is the best period. Government of Nepal doesn't seem to care of Sanskrit education in Nepal. This is creating Nepali children to learn only Nepali and English.
Another reason is that India and Nepal is heavily influence by western globalization these days. We like to talk in English, we like to listen English music, we like to eat burger, we like to east pizza, we like to do many western styles. As a result of this Western Influence, children are forgetting their own roots. If you ask a child where does a tomato come from? He might reply: From the grocery store! It a completely different way of life where Vedic study seems uncool and boring. What are your values in life? This value makes where you go in your life. So, people do not follow Vedas for various reasons. There is no one particular reason.

@sahibaba....The language itself clarifies what Paramanu is. Param + Anu = Paramanu.

By definition, science, is "..systematic study of ....through observation and experiment..." The cool thing about human being who practice this field of study is that most of them are inclined to be humble; in a sense that if and when theories are refuted (proved otherwise), you move on. Well, there are ample examples of egoistic scientists but that is probably a human weakness.

Philosophy, on the other hand, is a whole different ball game. I am, like many threaders here who acknowledged being ignorant about vedas. But my curiosity brings me here to ask this observation or phenomenon. What does it take to change a faith based stance? To change a philosophy, if you may allow me to call it philosophy.

I like calling myself an 'atheist'. I've watched in vain, dozens of videos, where new age verbose and articulate proponents of god-less morality, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris et al, failing to convince countless religious mullahs and pundits to acknowledge that not believing in god is as sane as believing in it. So this argument is non-nonsensical I guess. Who can change any of the threaders' mind, here, in what each of us believe in. As ridiculous as I think the subject of religious texts and scriptures are, I will be banished and burned with verbal abuse if I mention it here or in any other passionate forums like this. And I did.
Anyways, it's better not to question the prophets, the illuminated, the haloed because who am I and what persuasive logic do I have? So the point is not to convince or persuade you to believe in anything that I myself do. The question is how did I get here, to think the way I do. Can I think like a Christian, a Muslim, a Hindu? How can I be convinced. I am so damn stubborn in what I believe in. I hit the wall in my persuading to the Padre (पाद्री) that God doesn't exist. He thinks I am a lost soul and I think the same about him. He says, one day I will fall in my knees and pray to god (because something personal would've happened to me that'd require god's attention). And this could be any god, a Zoroastrian god. The point being how stupid and naive I'd have been not to have seen the light.